Planned Parenthood leader resigns after watching ultrasound of abortion procedure.

[KingTheoden]

What the vocal pro-abortion posters demonstrate is A) a dramatic departure from Western philosophy on ensoulment B) a dramatic departure from natural law across all cultures.

Comparing a developing person to a tumor is ineffable (in a bad way). It is like comparing a collecting mound of dust to a beautiful wood craft not quite finished.

This comes down to the separation of having sex and procreation. The two institutions are the same; you cannot rightly have only one and not have severe consequences as a result.

One, clearly demonstrated by two posters, is the disregard for human life.

Because I anticipate some noise as a result, I want to add that married people can have sex for fun - but have to be open to it producing a child.

The Leftists are champions of relativism so that they are not bound by any code buy by their own. I consider their mentality more primitive than the pagans from thousands of years ago.

[J.D.Rockinfeller]

Originally Posted by Jeffs47

I knew some people who resigned from the slaughterhouse after seeing pigs having their throats cut.

Some people are "man" enough for tough jobs, and some aren't. I guess this girl's part of the latter.

I do find your avatar amusing. Give me liberty.. Unless it's about abortion, then it's "Government, tell me I can't do it!" Irony at its finest!

funny how yOU equate an abortion clinic with a slaughterhouse...how telling...

[Jeffs47]

Originally Posted by J.D.Rockinfeller

funny how yOU equate an abortion clinic with a slaughterhouse...how telling...

I think it's a decent analogy. What's your point? Things I don't want to see are done at slaughterhouses and at abortion clinics. But it doesn't matter. There are countless acts that we support, yet wouldn't be able to tolerate seeing or participating in.

Take embalming as an example. Most people would be disgusted at the thought of draining the blood from a corpse and replacing it with embalming fluid. Despite that fact, embalming is still an acceptable practice.

I would much rather see an unwanted child be terminated than to live the life of being unwanted. I volunteer in the mental health field and I see it all the time. Children know when they're unwanted. They often grow up and they do bad things.

If I had the ability to wish upon a star, I would wish that this country valued children again (instead of viewing them as an inconvenience), I would wish that people actually cared about someone other than themselves. I would wish that only people who wanted children got pregnant. I would wish that we had a culture of personal responsibility where every person had the motivation, ability, and opportunity to work towards a better life for themselves and their children.

The point is: those are wishes. Until they come true I live in realityland. Here, we thank God that women have the right to choose whether they are ready to bring a child into this world.

[J.D.Rockinfeller]

Originally Posted by Jeffs47

Take embalming as an example. Most people would be disgusted at the thought of draining the blood from a corpse and replacing it with embalming fluid. Despite that fact, embalming is still an acceptable practice. > thats true, good point.

If I had the ability to wish upon a star, I would wish that this country valued children again (i believe it STARTS in the womb.
. Here, we thank God that women have the right to choose whether they are ready to bring a child into this world.

they have the RIGHT not to jump in the sack with a guy not ready to make a commitment to the child..!!

[Russkie]

I pray that no one in this thread will ever experience abortion as a reality in their life.

[Jeffs47]

Originally Posted by J.D.Rockinfeller

they have the RIGHT not to jump in the sack with a guy not ready to make a commitment to the child..!!

So, what we need is the ability to read minds. Yeah. That's the ticket. Yeah!

As I've said before. A woman has the right to an abortion in this country and it's never going to change. You would think that eight years with a pro-life president and six years with a pro-life majority in congress would make it pretty clear, but I guess it hasn't to some folks.

Freedom is awesome!

[Tang]

Originally Posted by Jeffs47

So, what we need is the ability to read minds. Yeah. That's the ticket. Yeah!

As I've said before. A woman has the right to an abortion in this country and it's never going to change. You would think that eight years with a pro-life president and six years with a pro-life majority in congress would make it pretty clear, but I guess it hasn't to some folks.

Freedom is awesome!

OK, so you do have the freedom of choice. I could kill anyone out of the womb and it's OK? Free choice right? Use your brain. Watch the video.

[Jeffs47]

Originally Posted by Tang

OK, so you do have the freedom of choice. I could kill anyone out of the womb and it's OK? Free choice right? Use your brain. Watch the video.

If you were using your brain, you wouldn't be making a poor attempt at a straw man argument. I DARE you to show where I said that. Explain to me how you logically went from my post to your assertion.

It would be illegal for you to kill someone outside of the womb. That's a law I support. I'll even say that I don't support abortions performed after the baby can survive on its own (Third Trimester) unless the mother's life is in danger.

Remember that it's perfectly legal to get an abortion while it's not legal kill someone outside of the womb. Polls show that a majority of Americans support a woman's right to chose. It's not quite the same when it comes to your ridiculous example.

When you're ready to have a logical and intelligent discussion without silly slippery slope and straw man arguments, let me know.

The logic I use in my arguments come down to freedom and eviction. A parasite has taken up residence in the woman's body. Evicting that parasite has the natural consequence of ending its life. At some point in the pregnancy implied consent takes over and the child should be allowed to continue residing there. I would say that a reasonable time would be the middle of the pregnancy.

We have ways to determine whether an organism suffers before its death. Certain hormones and chemicals are excreted by the brain when pain and stress is experienced. Those markers are used to determine whether a specific euthanasia method is humane or not. Studies have been carried out on aborted fetuses. The hormones have not been found before the 4.5 month (20 week) period. If the organism isn't suffering and the method is humane, why would there be a problem?

[AlloyDragon]

Originally Posted by traderken

What makes a person a person is DNA
Fetuses have their own Human DNA (not the mothers DNA)

Care to post a reference to a dictionary definition of person that says anything about DNA? Seems doubtful, as that is not what person means by any commonly accepted definition of the word.

Even the word human, doesn't have a commonly accepted definition of the word the includes anything about DNA, probably because the word is older their our knowledge of DNA.

Someday we will genetically engineer our DNA into a form that is no longer compatible with homo sapien DNA and the words person and human will still be applicable to that species because they aren't predicated on homo sapien DNA.

Originally Posted by traderken

I didn't really want to get into this with a soulless Human such as your self.

And yet are getting into it anyway and slinging some mud while you are at it.

[AlloyDragon]

Originally Posted by KingTheoden

What the vocal pro-abortion posters demonstrate is A) a dramatic departure from Western philosophy on ensoulment B) a dramatic departure from natural law across all cultures.

Western philosophy is not consistent with regard to when human ensoulment occurs (some philosophies include a progressive upgrade from vegetable, to animal, to human soul).

There have been many, many cultures throughout history and many of those have not been against abortion early in the term, and some have not only not been against infanticide, but have even required in certain circumstances.

Originally Posted by KingTheoden

This comes down to the separation of having sex and procreation. The two institutions are the same; you cannot rightly have only one and not have severe consequences as a result.

This statement is not accurate, as people have sex without consequence much more frequently then they have sex with consequence.

Originally Posted by KingTheoden

Because I anticipate some noise as a result, I want to add that married people can have sex for fun - but have to be open to it producing a child.

This statement is absurdly false. Unmarried people can most certainly have sex for fun.

[traderken]

Originally Posted by AlloyDragon

And yet are getting into it anyway and slinging some mud while you are at it.

Yeah,
Sorry. It just angers me when someone has such disregard for Human life.

the fetus is human, Its a human fetus. and if it is Not killed
it will grow into a human Baby.
What part of that do you not get?

[AlloyDragon]

Originally Posted by traderken

Yeah,
Sorry. It just angers me when someone has such disregard for Human life.

the fetus is human, Its a human fetus. and if it is Not killed
it will grow into a human Baby.
What part of that do you not get?

Yes, its a human fetus, and if it doesn't die and isn't killed it will be birthed and become a human infant, and if it doesn't die and isn't killed, it will become a human child, and if it doesn't die and isn't killed, it will become a juvenile human, and if it doesn't die and isn't killed, it will become an adult human, and if doesn't die and isn't killed, it will become a geriatric human, and then it will die if it isn't killed.

That said, so what? Just because something may become something else, doesn't mean it actually is that thing. A caterpillar may become a butterfly, but it isn't a butterfly when it is a caterpillar. A seed may become a tree, but a seed is not a tree.

[traderken]

My work here is done.
Thank you AD for coming around and seeing the light.

[traderken]

I also want to say Thanks to all those that stand up for the unborn

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Dont-Tread-On.Me

The only thing Ironic is that your mom didn't think that you were a bunch of cells...

Do you know what irony is?

[Toto]

Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

Liberty includes the right to life; not the right to kill whoever you choose (human babies) without repercussions.

What is ironic is how you compare slaughterhouses to abortion clinics - and you are attempting to stand up for abortion clinics.

You see the similarity in slaughterhouses and abortion clinics, but you fail to see the differences (abortion clinics slaughter people instead of animals).


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So youare either saying that Animals deserve the full rights of any human or you think that slaughter houses and abortion clinics similar.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by sirgonzo420

So a human life in Iraq is worth more than a human life in America?

Does it really matter where the American dies?

[Toto]

Originally Posted by specsaregood

BB, when do you you think life begins and thus a right to liberty?

When it doesn't need to use another persons body to live. The state however thinks it's even earlier than that and I'm not going to try to get them to change their stance.

[philobeddoe]

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